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G'mornin Big B.

Got me there Big Guy, Though way off the point, I didn't notice that issue within the fold, but you are correct. Dems have been at the forefront of nearly every (seemingly senseless)international or domestic confrontation we've suffered. That is depending upon how far back you care to go or to what degree of bi-partisan commitment there was as in our earlier period. I'd say since we were discussing our political first steps, we should go back to at least 1763. We could go back to 1629 but then we'd be out of our US history, back to the Pequot War of 1637 our (Colonial period). So yup, we can accuse the dems of their war mongering in all the wars, (Democrats are underlined for easier spotting)  Except----------------

 the Whiskey Rebellion-1794FEDERALST, Revolutionary war-1763 to 1789,FEDERALIST, Tripolitan War-1801 to 1805 DEM/REPUB, War of- 1812 DEM/REPUB, Indian Creek War-1813-1814 DEM/REPUB, Algeria War-1815 DEM/REPUB, 1st Seminol War-1817 to 1818 DEM/REPUB, Black Hawk War-1832 DEM, 2nd Seminole War-1835 to 1842 DEM/WIG, San Jacinto War- 1836 DEM, Alamo-1836 DEM, Caroline Affair- 1837 to 1842 DEM/WIG, Aroostock War-1838 to1839 DEMHelderberg War-1839 to 1846 DEM/WIG, Creole War-1841 to 1842 WIG, Dorr's Rebellion-1842 WIG, Catholic Riots-1844 WIG, Mexican American War 1846 to 1848 DEM,  Civil war-1861 to 1865 REPUB, Little Big Horn-1876 REPUB, Sitting Bull-1890 REPUB, Spanish American War-1898 REPUB, Philippine- 1899 REPUB, China-1900 REPUB,  (WWIDEM, WWII DEM, Desert Storm REPUB,) Korea(Dem),  Viet Nam (Dem)IraqREPUB, Bay Of Pigs (Dem)Granada (Repub) Libya (Repub) Mogadishu (Dem).  Giving credit for the two Biggies, WI and WII matters not who sat in the oval office. We really had no choice but to step in along with our global allies in those two but they are calculated within the count. One could suppose too that, "death by war" totals might be attributed to those two Asian conflicts as toppers, compared to Dessert Storm, Granada, Mogadishu, Kuwait, or Iraq. But as for who started them, where we took the initiatives(first strike) that can be debated, and or even who stood behind the events leading to those conflict though one party didn't sign the orders, the other was fully involved in them. 

So we can see that with Granada and Libya, the Republican presidents have donned war paint 23 times, the Democrats 18 times, the Dems/Wigs 3 times, the Wigs(repubs) 3 times, Dem/Repubs 5 times, and the Federalists two times. The over-balance again goes to Republican presidents historically. But this is a very difficult argument to win because even with ALL our/my history books and trivial knowledge, I cannot combine the congresses with the presidents ahead and just after the conflicts above, to better asign the (Blame or the Glory) in our war history. But if you really wanted to compare party numbers here? The Republicans have had the Naughty advantage since 1776. That may well change with the new era we are about to embark upon.

Fact.

God Bless.

One also need look at "declared" war vs. non and what the reason was. Muslim terrorists have attacked us in-country or territory twice; and so has Japan.

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Hi Dave?

I had a whole page of important stuff for you, but with phonecalls and some lout noise moments ago, I took so long to get it right, I lost time. I have to go to see the medicine man for about four hours, but will get back to that econ stuff.

God Bless.

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Hangin me out to dry there Big B.

I have to git to the doc soon, but will be right back with ya in a few hours. I'm still trying to reconcile the who with the where and why, of this war disection. But I must say, you got my old wheels turning this mornin.

God Bless

One may wish to look at how Party positions changed after 1968.  The Democrats were considered the conservative party for most of the 20th century.  When LBJ announced he would not seek, nor would he accept, the nomination of his party for another term as President, old tricky Dick Nixon jumped onto the warhawk band wagon and began to espouse the same anti-communist venom he had done so many, many years earlier.  Nixon lulled people into believing they were the Great Silent Majority.  When actually Nixon was speaking to the staunch conservatives who were left wandering about without any real party to align themselves.  

What done in the Democrats was LBJ's acceptance of Civil Rights.  Many hard core Jim Crow southern Democrats who were absolute conservatives broke away from the Democratic party and moved over to the Republican ticket during this time period.  George Wallace is a perfect example of how the Democratic party had splintered and his brand of conservatism in keeping things segregated only helped to demonize the conservative movement.   Here is the point in history where you find the white, christian minority come into strength as the strong, christian conservative movement that has since exerted itself upon the Republican party platform. 

So you see, it doesn't really matter what party started what war because the ideology of the both parties has changed dramatically since the birth of our nation.  John McCain was a moderate, has always been a moderate, and will always be a moderate.  John McCain is probably more Democratic in his ideology than Hillary Clinton.  Hillary Clinton ran as a Democrat but if you were to look at her history and her record you would see she is far more to the right than John McCain on many, many, topics.

I believe we have a good man in place to be President.  Those who disagree are within their right to do so.  However, as one other poster so duly noted we do need to give the man a chance once he takes office to see what type of leader he'll become.

The only other point I wish to make is what started this thread and that was the fear of gunowners losing their 2nd Amendment rights.  I would say to you fear not.  There are far more gunowners with guns than there are military and law enforcement with the same weaponry.  If the old adage, "From my cold dead hands," rings true then gunowners have nothing to fear.

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