Muscatine

damn itreat...i'll try to cover a couple of your points, but can you say verbose in 50 words or less?

carter - that he was decent (do you mean naive?). maybe he was, but that still isn't even the 20th best positive quality needed for a president to guide and protect our country in a very dangerous world.

hoover -  that he deserved a better historical judgement of his one term presidency? maybe, but only because he was the one left holding bag at the end of several repub administrations that promoted and allowed the unregulated free market excesses that culminated in the 1929 bubble bursting great depression.

roosevelt - bs to all of what you say. 1932-1940 is 8 years, not 16 years. FDR's policies during the 1930's, in unknown and uncharted social/political/economic waters, held off anarchy and the total collapse of of our democratic society. in the same time frame, germany/italy/japan fell to totalitarian fascism, and the soviet union was well into a totalitarian communism.      

Good morning IT's and Happy Thanks Giving!

Yup, you are right sir, 32-40 is 8, but he was elected to 4 terms as indicated, the 4th shortened via death months into that 4th term? 4-terms, 16 years elected, not served. Dec 7. 1941, "date that will live in infamy"? As for those uncharted waters? Yesiree they certainly were, and they were  HOOVER'S to start with. That was the point. Not a Womanizer? You must be joking. You ever heard of Missy LeHand, Lucy Mercer, or Martha of Norway? Mrs. FDR sure did. Russia did a better job of kicking Alois Schicklegruber's BUTT than we did, along with that NASTY eastern winter. Don't forget that FDR didn't want anything to do with that war, vowing not to get involved, but...BANZAI.        So given the magnitude of that conflict, being WORLD WAR, that beady eyed little Austrian didn't stand a chance once he declared war on Russia and we won over the nuclear scientists. Also lets not forget that about 85% of all the posters on this here opinion -board- venue, lay the blame for our twisted entitlement problems at FDR's feet. That's like giving THANKS to Ronald Reagan for the inevitable and eventual collapse of the newly reinvigorated communist Russian state. Load of BS? I think not sir.

Carter was naive in the sense that he might have trusted his own party during his stay at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. But not so that he refused to try to make a difference. Are we naive now, does it make any sense to try again to fix this boatload of problems we are now suffering? Did Americans put another (Carter) naive dreamer there again? As for Hoover, what a guy. I wrote many papers and have read nearly every line ever written about that man, and what he faced as a true conservative, left do deal with the most disasterous of political disasters. Just as Carter faced immediately after taking the oath, and suffered the most outlandish congresses they could have had. I'll stand with you there too, if there isn't at least a measure of gridlock, the wrong man in the oval office can only compound our troubles. I hope it doesn't happen again.

Happy T.G. God Bless

Hey, its....quick-study...

"when you don't know what you are talking about,..."

"roosevelt - bs to all of what you say. 1932-1940 is 8 years, not 16 years."

Presidential term-limits were not ratified until 1951. FDR served in office from Jan 1933 until his death from a brain hemorrage in April of 1945. (12 years and almost 3 months by the math.) (He had been elected to his fourth term.)

wish or delusion...the math and history does not lie.

Good morning Big B, Its and all others.

Okay now, being a centrist/ independent, I take no prisoners regarding the leaders we put in office. Quick study? lets recap: I said and I quote" It took 16 years before" folks, voters etc. Understood what a losing proposition his 4 terms were. I did not say once that he served 16 years. I realize how that sounded to a nit-picking point, but puting words in my text doesn't give a leg up to you sir. A stroke in his fourth term does not negate the FACT that he was elected to 4 terms purposefully 16 years, completed by his VP with the same ideals, I didn't say he made them all his.

Again, NEVER said he served 16 years. Just that his four terms, (presumably 16 years) was a mistake,,,,, hence the change made in 1951. Still know what I'm talking about with regard to this man's presidency and that he immediately made the depression worse, and in fact "A Depression" by increasing taxes on the wealthiest as much as 100%, increasing business taxes, depreciating currency, creating and inflating entitlements.... and the list goes on. Every one of these- a mistake under the state of the economy at that time. Isn't that the biggest fear of the wealthiest under Obama? That at a time of great economic hardship, anyone would be so silly as to raise taxes? Well, FDR did it and in a big way. The other points to anyone who really cares, he was a plagiarizer, he was a womanizer and history has shown, a man far from the great president some people still think he was. Along with the false notion (still held tightly by many) today, that Hoover caused the depression, nor had a significant hand in the recovery. Okay? I voted for Reagan in term one. Not term two. Liar. Greedy crook. Double talking corporate stooge. Yes Reagan. Too bad it wasn't "Bedtime For Bonzo" that decided his political fate instead of short sighted voters that fell for his scam. Same for GHWB, why congress didn't push further into the Iran Contra scandal and indict these two whippets one will always wonder. Clinton? What a horses' hiny. Played a fine sax though. But his perspective of constitutional relevance was distorted, also his ideas of profit-taking(white Water) Womanizer, and should not have won a second term, nor his wife been allowed the prowess that she has garnered off riding his coat-tails. I'll admit "we" were better off in that last term, but at what cost? Instead of fixing what missteps Clinton took, GW only compounded them. Nope, you cannot convince me of anyone other than Carter, as the best man at least as president since the end of the Vietnam war. Too bad war mongering Johnson didn't turn down the first nomination instead. Then we got H.M.O., Watergate, Cut-N-Run Nixon? Then good ole Pardon my president Ford. Though about as fairly a true conservative since Hoover, he still flopped as a fish out of water, following Nixon's idealism's to the letter. . All other dems losers, all these repubs losers too. Give me back Carter any day. We'd finally go green, we'd finally put big oil back in it's box, and we'd finally be closing our borders to their JOB KILLING corporate exodus, with their free-falling greed, an end to at least one pointless war(terrorists don't care) and a president that tells congress like it is. "Ravenous wolves"

Merry Christmas and God Bless.