I might add that the gullible can always be counted on to believe the unbelievable.

Okay chosen - you state the Cheney, Halliburton and Bush have all made a lot of money from 9/11 and the Iraq war - where are your facts? You stated in a later post that we should watch and draw conclusions - well I have concluded that you are speculating that these people made lots of money from these events. We could all speculate that you made lots of money from these events - no proof - just speculation or coming to our own conclusions. As I said earlier, income tax records are available. Lets' see your proof.

Later

JC - not all money has to be reportred as income, I'm sure you're aware of that.

http://www.e-thepeople.org/article/16139/

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As the Center for Public Integrity has documented, this kind of thing is not unusual. At least nine of the 30 members of the Defense Policy Board have ties to corporations that have won more than $76 billion in defense contracts in 2001 and 2002. As more and more wartime contracts are announced, more and more conflicts of interest are coming to light. After all, the Bush administration is riddled with ties to the weapons, engineering, construction, and oil companies that have the most to profit from in the Iraq war.

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Cheney, who served as CEO from 1995 to 2000, continues to receive as much as $1 million a year in deferred compensation.

Tell us what the "defeffed" word means in the Tax world? 

http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/43045/?page=1 

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In February of 2001, just weeks after Bush was sworn in, the same energy executives that had been lobbying for Saddam's ouster gathered at the White House to participate in Dick Cheney's now infamous Energy Task Force. Although Cheney would go all the way to the Supreme Court to keep what happened at those meetings a secret, we do know a few things, thanks to documents obtained by the conservative legal group JudicialWatch. As Mark Levine wrote in The Nation ($$):

 

... a map of Iraq and an accompanying list of "Iraq oil foreign suitors" were the center of discussion. The map erased all features of the country save the location of its main oil deposits, divided into nine exploration blocks. The accompanying list of suitors revealed that dozens of companies from 30 countries -- but not the United States -- were either in discussions over or in direct negotiations for rights to some of the best remaining oil fields on earth.

 

alright time for you guys to put up or shut up. we keep showing our proof and all we get from you guys are insults and no return debate. show any thing that proves what you say. i will say it again I dare you to prove these are wrong. here is what we get from halliburton;

Monday, April 11, 2005
Iraq Reconstruction

DOD Audits: Halliburton Overcharges Top $212 Million

Overcharges Identified and Costs Questioned Under Halliburton's Iraq Oil Contract Task Order* Task Order Value Overcharges and Questioned Costs Percentage of Task Order Value TASK ORDER 5 $887.3 million $86.1 million 9.7% TASK ORDER 6 $212.1 million $34.2 million 16.1% TASK ORDER 7 $324.9 million $35.7 million 11.0% TASK ORDER 8 $179.9 million $22.8 million 12.7% TASK ORDER 9 $57.2 million $19.9 million 34.8% TASK ORDER 10 $28.7 million $13.6 million 47.4% TOTAL $1.69 billion $212.3 million 12.6% *Links are to DCAA audit executive summaries

Last month, Rep. Waxman disclosed that Defense Department auditors found $108 million in fuel-related overcharges by Halliburton for work in Iraq under Task Order 5, one of several Halliburton task orders for the importation of fuel into Iraq. Rep. Waxman also revealed that although Halliburton was paid in significant part from Iraqi oil proceeds in the Development Fund for Iraq (DFI), the Administration - acting at Halliburton's request - concealed these overcharges from the international auditors charged by the United Nations with monitoring the expenditures from the DFI.

The Committee on Government Reform's National Security Subcommittee recently obtained additional audits of Halliburton's Iraqi oil reconstruction work under Task Orders 5 through 10 that show that that both the amount of Halliburton's overcharges and the extent of the information withheld from the auditors at the International Advisory and Monitoring Board (IAMB) are much greater than previously known.

In these new reports, DCAA auditors identify overcharges and question costs of $212.3 million, doubling the total amount of known overcharges under Halliburton's Iraq oil contract. In one case, the overcharges exceeded 47% of the total value of the task order. The reports reveal that, as with the withholding of the Task Order 5 audit, extensive additional information has been withheld by the Administration from the IAMB. A review of these audits shows that references to overcharges and other questioned costs were blacked out over 450 times in the versions of audits sent to the IAMB.

In a letter sent today to National Security Subcommittee Chairman Shays, Rep. Waxman renewed his request that the Subcommittee hold hearings on the Administration's mismanagement of the Development Fund for Iraq.

Pentagon audit reveals Halliburton overcharges

Nearly $108 million in unsupported costs found

FREE VIDEO Auditors finger Halliburton March 15: Pentagon auditors have found that Halliburton, which was awarded a $2.5 billion contract to deliver fuel to Iraq, may have overcharged by more than $108 million. NBC's Jim Miklaszewski reports. Nightly News Nightly News

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By Jim Miklaszewski Chief Pentagon correspondent NBC News updated 7:28 p.m. CT, Tues., March. 15, 2005

Pentagon auditors have found that the Halliburton Co., which was awarded a no-bid $2.5 billion contract to deliver fuel to Iraq, may have overcharged by more than $108 million. That includes $61 million auditors found in questionable charges more than a year ago.

And Democrats in Congress predict more to come.

"This may be the tip of the iceberg because this is only one of their task orders, and we have nine others that we haven't had reports on," says Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif.

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Yet another Pentagon audit completed last August and obtained by NBC News found that a Halliburton contract to provide food and housing for American troops had a staggering $1.8 billion in unsupported costs.

In a written response, Halliburton defends the costs for delivering fuel, calling it a "mission fraught with danger," which increased the prices. They promised full cooperation with Pentagon auditors.

But when this latest audit was first released this week, significant portions were blacked out. Congressional Democrats say Halliburton asked the Bush administration to redact many portions of the audit the company considered to be inaccurate or misleading. But when you look at the complete audit, posted today on a congressional Web site, and click on the blacked-out segments, it reveals that auditors found the company was unable to demonstrate the fuel proposal was based on actual cost, and that Halliburton charged more than $108 million in questioned costs.

"We want the Pentagon not to help cover it up, we want them to go back and collect the money," says Waxman.

Late Tuesday night, Halliburton officials said the company has the right to redact any information it considers proprietary.

But Democrats in Congress aren't satisfied and are calling for immediate hearings into the way the United States is spending its money with Halliburton and other contractors in Iraq