Here is Some History On The Facebook Of MP

Posted in: Madison Park

Sent: Sun, Mar 8, 2015 1:48 pm
Subject: Just a fyi

I had words with the board over Douglas publishing a facebook link to Beth's Madison Park Page.  He did not like it.   I told the entire board that the 2014 board had already established that Beth's page could not represent the HOA last year, yet Douglas showed disregard for that decision by publishing a facebook link to her site.  Not only that Valerie created a facebook page but never promoted it.    
 
There is a neighbor on Seacroft at Montclaire that is doing a big street party.  Food, live band, some amusements.   I gave him some advise on street closures etc.  He invited our HOA to set up a booth table.   I suggested that if we were to set up (he is inviting the entire neighborhood) that we should bring something to the table.  Douglas of all people said, " I have an issue of supporting or taking part in this because the gentlemen footing the bill will be promoting his business."    I was like?????????????  What do you think Beth is doing, and your are helping by connecting all 700 of our e-mail list to her page.
 
Anyway I will continue to speak on what I think is wrong.  I do not wish to be associated with underhanded dealing by our HOA.   I want at least a published vote so people know that I was an objection.
 
I have waited 2 months to hear who decided to pay the Montclaire resident $500 for the web site per year?   That was never part of the deal or any board meetings last year.   He does not respond.  My guess because he knows they did something they should not of done without full board direction.   It would be one thing if the board had not spoke, but the board spoke on the matter.  
 
Anyway hope all is great with you. 
 
Martin
Facebook - Response needed before Minutes are released  
 
 
   
   
   
 
 
Here is the first facebook issue that came up.  Douglas responds back that Beth cannot be removed as it is her page and she created it.  So it was decided the site could be used but not advertised.  As soon as Valerie was done as President it came back up.  I as director questioned it immediately and that is when Valerie and Douglas responded to me.   ( I have that in my files that they had another facebook site so it was no longer an issue).   Yet today Beth confirmed what I expected that the facebook was indeed still her facebook page, and yes she was the admin, but Douglas controls it.. 
And yes the questions came from realtors that did not like it and some members of the HOA, that the HOA was usinig someone elses facebook page, instead of setting up one that followed the guidelines of the board in this email below.  

Martin Doss


-----Original Message-----
From: Valerie Delby <>
To: Douglas Welton <>; marty doss <>; mitch jackson-home <>
Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 2:23 pm
Subject: Facebook - Response needed before Minutes are released

Hi everyone,
I wanted to send a separate note specific to Facebook because we are already getting questions from the community on using this particular site so we need to address them head-on and avoid confusion.
 
The idea of using a site already in place makes a lot of sense and I think we are all happy Beth offered hers up to us, however she should not have ongoing Admin rights if this is a HOA official site that we are endorsing (as we did at the HOA meeting).  We should always have 2 Admin's for any site (FB or the web) but those people should be on the Board and not from the community, primarily for security and messaging.
 
We discussed this at the board meeting on Monday night so I want to make sure that we have something In Writing from Beth that says she's turning the site/page over to us to run and administer permanently.  Also, for the Board discussion site, is it correct that Only the board has access to this or does Beth or anyone else, by Admin rights, have the ability to read the posts?   Just because you cannot see an Admin logged into a site or post doesn't mean they can't view it so we need to know that is only for us.
 
Again, I am very happy that Beth has given us her site/page, however, she is not on the board and therefore should not have access to Administer a site that is promoted as the "official Madison Park Facebook page"...that in itself assumes ownership by the HOA.  And by ownership, I mean whomever is the Administrator.
 
From a sponsorship perspective, if you saw that someone who runs a business donated a site to the board but remained on as Admin then that would be quite concerning especially if that person could advertise their company on that site (for free) but a sponsor would have to pay.  Obviously your motivation to jump in as sponsor would diminish.   In that scenario, the Admin would be perceived to have an edge with the placement of "ads" thus giving them an advantage of anyone else who may be a competitor.  I know we are going to review how to obtain sponsorship primarily for the website but how we use FB will impact the website sponsorship so we need to be cognizant of that and adjust accordingly. 
 
We want to move ahead with the FB page but before we post minutes & declare anything as an "official site" we need to obtain something from Beth and remove her ability to be an Admin so we can put everyone's mind at ease that the HOA is truly running the site for the community.
 
Let me know your thoughts.
Thanks!
 
Valerie L. Delby
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The reason I am sharing this with the public is that I saw this as an issue back in 2014 when it first came up.    The board agreed it was a problem, and put some safe guards in place.    

 

Yet it appears the only two people with admin rights to Beth's Madison Park HOA facebook page is Beth who created it and Douglas.   The email above sent to part of the board from Valerie Delby then President clearly states that Beth needed to be off the facebook page, two not one board members needed access as admins so it could be passed along as board changed, and to ensure it was ran properly.

 

Yet Douglas does as he pleases and ignores the past board (just the year prior) and starts advertising the site.  He was told to not advertise it since Beth could not relinquish admin as creator.   

 

This all came up currently because Douglas decided last week to censor post of Madison Park resident Ruth Tansill.    When I say censor I mean deleting save the date for a Halloween trunk or treat / food truck festival that she had been working for weeks. The planning involving her and the school and city.   She did ask the HOA board if they would consider helping with the truck permits.    This is not unusual to have residents ask the HOA to support something they worked on.  As president for many years there was a long history of us chipping in money or buying something for peoples privately started events that improved the quality of life for the neighborhood, or where residents were also invited to take part.

 

Not only did Douglas censor Ruth he blocked her from the facebook page.    I know for a fact that Ruth reached out to all board members requesting her access be restored and the ones that answered all pointed back to Douglas with various replies.  She then reached out to Beth Smith-Shuey who created the Madison Park facebook page as a resident without any HOA direction years ago.  Not saying that is bad, that was her right to do.   It simply at the time was not actually connected to the HOA, or requested by the HOA for her to do.   

 

That facebook page ...or any facebpok page that was official was to be owned by the HOA....and was for the use of the neighborhood.  It't intention was not be controlled by someone that can like and unlike you and remove or block you from using it.   It does not and never was intended to give any one person the power to do this on the HOA official facebook.  

 

Again Shame on You Douglas for blocking the site access from Ruth.

 

I am pretty darn sure the HOA board never made any changes since our board voted in 2014 on the use of the facebook and the creation of a page.   So I would strongly suggest that you guys, (meaning the current board), bring yourself back in line as to what the directions and vote was for from previous HOA boards that included some of you.   I don't expect the new board members from the last 2 years to know the history.  I also don't expect Eric Stenstrom either since he was gone and off the board for years.    Now you do know the history if you read this post. 

 

Hopefully this gives anyone that reads it some background and this issue of censorship can be corrected or something put in placed to deal with it.  

 

All you facebook users have joined a page where Douglas and Beth have apparent access of users, but no one else.  Beth did say in an email that she just leaves all the Admin stuff to Douglas to deal with on the facebook page, and that Ruth had to deal with him to get back on the facebook page. 

 

Keep in mind that Douglas told Ruth to use Social media to advertise her events, after she requested one be added to the Madison Park HOA web site calendar.   The response was that it would be a slippery slope on the book drive,  and just use Social Media pages.   She does than and still gets her events removed.   Rumor has it Ruth is not the only one that had issues.    Apparently if what I was told was true MadPark 5K run post were deleted in the past by Douglas. 

What someone replied today about Beth having Admin rights on the facebook page for Madison Park HOA.

 

"From a Realtor's viewpoint, she should have full disclosure on the Facebook page if it is her page.  Otherwise, it is a violation against our Realtor Code of Ethics.  And, that can be serious."

 

"I'm not sure if I've met Ruth Tansill or not?  As a resident of this neighborhood she should have as much right to post on their Facebook page as anybody.  I would be tempted to report that to the news."

 

I have to throw in the fact that board members lied to me as a director of the HOA by telling me they had stopped using Beths' Madison Park Page in 2015, and were using another facebook page.   This when Douglas started to adverstise the facebook page aftrer being told by prior board and president Valerie Delby he could not advertise it.    Beth admitting to Ruth yesterday that she is the Admin, but that Douglas was also an Admin and handles the site as far as blocking and allowing users, and that she was unwilling to help get her back on the facebook page.    Why did you Lie Douglas?  Pretty sure Mrs Margaret Sexton and Heidi (whatever your last name is now) was present at the lie.  You have been sneaky from the moment I switched to director for 2 years.  Sneaky by having partial board meetings that were not propertly annoucned,  and not telling the entire board what was going on.    Once Valerie Delby stepped back from the HOA,  and came off as President you just really got out of control.   

 

Missing minutes,  board members serving that have termed out or without proper elections being held, disregard for prior board votes on topics, acting like a child by rude behavior blocking residents from the Madison Park facebook page. 

 

Anyway hopefully VP Eric Stenstrom can get some order restored to the Board and the HOA.  I am counting on YOU to make it right.  After all you wrote those original bylaws which the HOA should be operating under now.   Perhaps you can work with Emily and get rid of those on the board that don't belong immediately.   Emily was always professional in any dealings I had with her.   Ensure and election occurs this fall.   Make sure the minutes start coming out.   Work out this issue with facebook.   Find out why the board lied about which facebook they were using...you now have the emails and the dates when Douglas was told to not use that facebook from Beth, written from President Valerie Delby.  Get Ruth Tansill restore to facebook, and prevent others from being blocked without cause.   I have literally 1000's of emails in my HOA folder.   I documented everything for a reason.  Glad I saved them. 

 

If you have issue with Ruth's events, simply put on the facebook in a post that this is a non sponsored HOA event. Then you have covered yourself.   If we were hosting it I would simply note not an official HOA event, but we are supporting it.  Then it is clear to anyone reading or attending that this is not an event the HOA came up with .   Does not mean the event is not worthy...just that the HOA did not put it on.  

 

I heard from a very good source....(will not name) that one former board member was allowed to sell Madison Park T-shirts on the facebook and keep all the money.   So if that is true how can Douglas block a user posting an event when he is the one that told her to use social media facebook and nextdoor to advertise her events, because of the slippery slope situation with the web site calendar.   This person apprently was using the HOA facebook to make money. 

 

I wish nothing but the BEST for the HOA, but it ain't gonna happen until you clean up the mess!   Get to Scrubbing!   

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